The Coodabeen Champions Competition
Round Three
Nominate the game that you reckon was the greatest turnup ever, and explain why...
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:31:38 +1000
From: beryl
Twenty-odd years later Richmond draft his son. If that's not a turn-up,
what is?
Chris Baine
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 02:32:38 +1000
From: Ross
Dear Coodabeens,
The greatest turnup of all timeİhasn't happened yet.
It is destined to take place on the day after the 2001 Brownlow Medal
count, when the umpires will meticulously review the video of the gala
event.
Afterİcarefully checking the video footage of the Brownlow presentation,
and earnestly consulting among themselves,İ the umpires will then
announce thatİthey have made a slight error of mistaken identity.
All votes given to Mark Mercuri should, in fact, have gone to Matthew
Lloyd. (An understandable error. They do look very similar from certain
angles under the lights. And they both wear black and red gear after all.
And umpires can't be expected to put a name to theİface of every
non-entity in the game can they?)
In the greatest turnup of all time, Mark Mercuri's 2001 Brownlow
Medalİwill be taken from him andİceremonially hung around the neck of
Matthew Lloyd.
What a turnup!
Ross
Ross Gilham
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:44:25 +1000
From: Peter O'Sullivan
The greatest turnup of all time was
Collingwood winning the 1990 Grand Final
In the 1990 Grand Final
- the umpires didn't crucify us
- the judiciary didn't suspend our best player
a week before the big game
- the time keepers stayed awake
- the final siren was audible
- the CIA did not influence the outcome of the came
-there was no previously unheard of player
that came off the bench and played a blinder
- there was not a grassy knoll in sight
- there was no little fat bloke in the third row
eating a pie waiting to tap the ball back into play
Collingwood winning the 1990 Grand Final
was the biggest turn up of all time
Peter O'Sullivan
Gisborne
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:25:44 +1000
From: Jeremy King
Why would you take a turnip to the footy anyway???
Isn't a pie enough for some?
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:12:45 +1000
From: Julian Toohey
i am unsure of the workings of this weeks competition, because i missed
the show on saturday, so i missed some examples or hints at what to
write, but, i will have a go anyway, i will probably be miles off what
you are looking for, but that happens.
i think the greatest turnup wasn't carlton defeating essendon, but i
attended a game in the early 1990's, where the sparkling talent out of
croydon, craig devonport, was publicly ridiculed, by coach, ken sheldon
on the boundary.İ Leaving me and other kids of the primary school age,
turning to their fathers saying, dad what is ken doing?
Anyhow craigİwon the game for us with a educated shot at the goals, for a
memorable victory against collingwood.İ whether that rates as a turnup i
don't know, but any time you beat collingwood, it is good, even though
collingwood has sustained high levels of mediochraty of more recent
times, it still feels good to win, especially by small margains, as
stkilda have done a few times in the 1990's.
Craig later moved to carlton to play 8 games
the word turnup, brings me to think of games where world record record
numbers have attended, such as essendon stkilda, at waverley, the night
the lights went, carlton vs richmond the day the scoreboard went up in
smoke, stkilda vs carlton, night grand final 1996, where the ground held
aproximately, 296,000, all crammed into the pocket at which the incident
in question may have occured, according to those you talk to in general
conversation.
Julian Toohey
This week's winner
Someone once said that Football is a Funny Game. This is certainly true,
and is one of the reasons why the history of the game is so full of
remarkable 'turn-ups'. In fact, there have been so many great turn-ups
that I found it impossible to nominate one as THE greatest. Accordingly,
in time-honoured Coodabeens Comp fashion, I have instead decided to
PATFTBİ (PickİA Team; From The Backline) of players who have figured in
some of the great turn-ups of history. I'm sure you'll agree, all of
these turn-ups would, at the time of their occurence, have no doubt
ellicited the kind of Shock that only a great Turn-up can. This Turn-Up
Shock can take either of two forms; Great Surprise ("Gosh. That's a
turn-up") or Great Indignation ("Strewth. Turn it up!")
BACKS:
Hooker Harrison - THAT job on Ron Barassi, 1958 Grand Final
Fred Swift - THAT goal umpiring decision, final minute, 1967 Grand Final
Neil Crompton - THAT goal, 1964 Grand Final
HALF BACKS:
Derek Shaw: THAT performance, 1979 Grand Final
Peter Caven - THAT job on Wayne Carey, 1998 Grand Final
Robert Klomp - THAT B.O.G. verdict, 1981 night series (winning THAT
television)
CENTRES:
Gary Ablett - THOSE 14 goals from the wing, v Richmond, 1989 (plus THAT
'retirement', 1991)
Brian Wilson - THAT Brownlow, 1982
Kevin Bartlett - THAT single handball, 1980 Grand Final
HALF-FORWARDS:
Ted Hopkins - THAT second half, 1970 Grand Final
Stephen Kernahan - THAT miss after the siren, v Essendon, 1993
Adam Saliba - THAT B.O.G. for S.A. State of Origin, 1992
FORWARDS:
Bob Keddie - THAT last quarter, 1971 Grand Final
Peter Hudson - THOSE misses, 1971 Grand Final
Bob Pratt - THAT incident with THAT truck, pre-1935 Grand Final
COACHES:
Percy Jones & Tony Jewell: THAT punch-up, 1980 qualifying final
FOLLOWERS:
V.V.S. Laxman
Harbahjan Singh
Rahul Dravid
- THAT comeback in the Second Test at Calcutta, 2001
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:57:27 +1000
From: Matt Laing
In Fitzroy's last year they played the Crows at Whitten Oval.
Darren Jarman had 39 touches and kicked 8 goals.
Andrew Jarman had 33 touches and kicked 6 goals.
The turnup was not the fact that Adelaide won a game in Melbourne by ten
goals, but it was in fact later on that year at Brownlow Medal night.
1 vote - Kym Koster
2 votes Matthew Primus
3 votes - Martin Pike
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:57:14 +1000
From: dianne.nolan
1 Vote
Pre-season Footy Olympics (circa 1970) when Cowboy Neale beat Des
Tuddenham home in the 10 Km mini marathon.
2Vote
Fitzroy's only win in 1963 was against eventual premiership team Geelong.
3Vote
Peter Landy's failure to use the obligatory cliche "penultimate" in last
season's Round 21 Footy Replay preamble.
Warwick Nolan
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:36:37 +1000
From: "Treseder, Peter"
Simon, (if you are there this week)
The biggest upset/boilover occured in round 22 of the 1980 season when the
lowly South Melbourne defeated Richmond at the Lake Oval. The Tigers were
on top of the ladder and looked certain to finish there so they would get
the weeks rest before the 2nd Semi Final, until the Swans upset them. The
loss relagated the Tigers to 3rd.
HOWEVER! In hindsight it was the best result for the Tigers. Remember the
curse of the bye in the AFL when there was 15 teams.
Richmond powered through the Blues in the first week of the finals, with KB
snagging 6. Destroyed the Cats the following week, with KB bagging 8. Then
the Tigers, in a then record margin, obliterated Collingwood (good old
fashioned grass roots result) in the Grand Final, with KB booting 7. (Stan
Magro is still looking for him somewhere on the forward flank).
This all just proves the old training addages, "No Pain, No Gain" or "If it
hurts, it is doing you good". After round 22, 1980 I hurt.
Peter "Trash" Treseder
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:06:05 +1000
From: John O'Connell
Richmond versus North Melbourne at the MCG 1995.
Richmond was an improving side this year but North Melbourne were
regarded as a genuine flag contender with Wayne Carey at the peak of his
powers.
Richmond powered out of the blocks with an 11 goal first quarter and went
on to score an impressive victory. This victory deserves "The Greates
Upset Status" because it resulted in more supporters coming out of the
woodwork than any other win in the history of AFL/VFL.
In the event you disagree may I suggest that next week's competion should
be "What win resulted in more supporters coming out of the woodwork than
any other?" and I would like to resubmit this entry for next week.
Regards,
John O'Connell
Strathmore
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:32:08 +1000
From: Tim Goddard
Turnups are merely unexpected occurrences. Inherent in the turnup in the
inexplicable. They are inexplicable, unexpected and infrequent. (I should
point out that if they were in fact frequent, they would not be Turnups, merely
regular occurrences, which, in fact, are extremely common. The antithesis of
the turnup if you will).
To judge Turnups against each other is akin to comparing champions of differing
era's. Not only is it seen to be biased towards the more recent Turnups (by
those of the X generation) but equally as biased by those of the BB (Baby
Boomer) generation towards seasons well past. This is the fatal flaw in cross
generational comparisons, rendering all comparisons useless.
To end all argument, a 'Turnup' Reference Point' needs to be established. This
year should be beyond the end of the BB gen and near the beginning of the X
gen. This, therefore, would remove all bias.
The only year which fits the above criteria is 1967. The year the Tigers
caused the MOAU (Mother of all Upsets) by defeating the firm flag favourites,
Geelong. This fact cannot be denied.
The subsequent film, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is a loosly adapted version
of events as seen through the eyes of a Dragon. No other football game has
produced such a celluloid legacy.
Go the Cats (mere coincidence), go the Seagulls (Barwon Heads )
Cheers
Tim g
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:22:17 +1000
From: Anthony Nichols
Hi the biggest turnup of all time concerned the biggest game in town, the
television rights for the next five years.
Surpassingly, the AFL decided to ignore 45 years of tradition by dumping
the seven network.
The AFL was only motivated by money.
The Seven network hasİreducedİits commitment to the game after loosing
the rights.
Eddie Maguire claimed he had nothing to do with the new deal and has no
conflict of interest at allİ.
Each of these factors I believe make the TV rights change the biggest
turnup of all time.
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:01:16 +1000
From: Barbara Tyler
I've always followed South, through thick, and lots and lots of thin. Can't
remember which year it was, but the Eastern Freeway was about twelve months
away from opening, and South were being thrashed week after week after week,
and either bottom or pretty close to it. Collingwood was having a purple
patch, and my neighbours were Collingwood members. They had a spare ticket
IN THE STAND AT COLLINGWOOD, and we went together (along the half finished
freeway, where one of the guys was working on the construction).
I'm sure I was the only South supporter ever to grace a seat in the stand,
and South played brilliantly! I screamed and clapped and cheered, among the
deathly quiet around me, with (metaphorical) daggers being thrown in my
direction. I expected that my team would be overtaken, but it didn't happen,
and South won by ten goals. What a turnup!
How could there be a sweeter victory - ten goals! Collingwood! In their
stand! I still feel warm when I think of it.
Barbara Tyler
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:25:21 +1000 (EST)
From: "[iso-8859-1] Peter Cullen"
Even though my thunder was stolen a little, the
greatest upset in footy history would have to be :
In 1963 Fitzroy, yet to win a game at that stage, and
with their captain-coach (Kevin Murray)on Interstate
game duties, and coached for the day by Reserves Coach
Wally Clark, defeated top-of-the-ladder Geelong at the
Brunswick St ground in the wet. The Roys failed to win
another game for the season, and the Cats went on to
win the flag.
As a sub-turn-up, Fitzroy ruckman Brian Clements
clearly outpointed the great Polly Farmer to help the
Lions on their way to a memorable result.
Not only did the Roys fail to win another game that
season, but they did not win another VFL match until
the 1965 season.
I am sure you will agree that this result would be
hard to beat as an upset result
Peter Cullen
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:10:37 +1000
From: "Salton, Jeff"
Turn-up of the Century
It was back in the mid-'80s, at the 'G' and the Richmond-Collingwood
rivalry had never been higher.İ An 8-goal 'breeze' was blowing as the
teams prepared to run out onto the ground.İ The cheersquads struggled to
lift their banners to the cheers of their respective fans.
As the Collingwood banner reached the perpendicular, a great gust of wind
grabbed it and tore it off one of the wooden support posts.İ It flapped
madly and threatened to disappear over the Northern stand before being
brought down to earth.
It was up just long enough for us to read the incredibly complex yet
amazingly humorous message pasted on to it in black and white crepe paper
- "Go Pies".
Anyway, the Tiger cheer squad downed their banner and guy ropes and made
a bee-line for their Magpie equivalent.
'Great,' we thought. 'They're gonna torch it or at least spit on it and
put the boots in'.
But in one of the greatest turn-ups ever seen, the Tiger cheersquad began
madly helping to re-affix the banner and even helped raise it for the
players to run through.
Don't remember who won the game - we were too disgusted to care after
seeing such flagrant abandonment of rivalry which had taken a century to
inflame.
Disgraceful!!!
Jeff From Kilsyth
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:55:00 +1000
From: Adam Ellerton
The biggest turn up I saw was just a few years ago, 1912 to be exact.
The pies had a bad start to the season losing their first three games
and in round four they were lining up against Carlton. The game was a
good one and the pies lead by two goals at three quarter time and
managed to just hold on in the last term to win by one point. I was
standing next to a couple of young fellas that day, they said they had
only been barracking for Collingwood for only 20 years. Digger and Elmo
their names where. Well Digger said to me after the game "A one point
win, that's the biggest turn up I've ever seen, we should have beaten
them by 150 points" he said. Digger made a very good point. It's a shame
wasn't around in those says so that young Digger could share his
insightful thoughts with a nation on a Saturday morning.
Adam Ellerton
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:05:19 +1000
From: Greg Moss
Sad story, but true!
The biggest turn-up in my experience was over a quarter of a century back
now, (the exact year's lost in the mists of time)
Port Melbourne were in the midst of their "Golden era", when one day down
at Northport oval they were being inexplicably beaten by Brunswick, (at
the time the cellar-dwellers). Paul Goss was stab-passing to that skinny
fullback Nolan bloke instead of Cookie, Sammy Holt was missing easy
goals, Bullwinkle was kickin' out on the full, absolutely everything that
could go wrong, did go wrong!
The 3/4 time speech by Norm Brown was enlightening to say the least!
"RIGHTO BOYS, MRS
Please delete use of name on air! B
Regards, Greg Moss
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:49:30 +1000
From: Doug Long
This greatest turnup in the history of the game hasn’t happened yet;
but is imminent.
It will be NOT so much the result BUT the change in attitude that will
astonish many.
Anyone who heard Tony’s version of listening to endless "Crow Talk"
in the Sydney airport lounge will be aware of Tony’s penchant for
melodrama when things don’t quite go his way (a common occurrence
for a Dogs supporter and punter).
Here’s the story:
Later this year, Tony will accompany Guru Bob to the Himalayas (because
they both love Ti-Bet) where they will both gain enlightenment
Tony’s subtle but significant inner transformation goes unnoticed
until Caulfield Cup day 2001.
Tony takes a multiple Quadrella going wide in the first three legs and
one out in the last. His first three legs get up, including a real
roughie, and he is set for a big pay-out if his even money good thing can
salute. The jockey has it sitting last in a painfully slowly run race and
makes a run wider than Veandercross coming around the home turn. The
horse storms home– the best of good things beaten– to lose by a
nose. The Coodabeens team brace themselves for the inevitable 140 decibel
outburst; but then, (drum roll as here comes the turnup!)
the new, enlightened Tony smiles gracefully, displays his near miss
quadrella ticket and notes:
"I’ve just had an‘ OUT OF THE QUADDIE’ experience!"
Doug Long
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:02:40 +1000
From: Oliver Kysela
Hi Simon
My candidate for the greatest turnup:
The Dwayne Armstrong Project.
Refreshingly proved that Swimming is not the only nemises of the
exceptionally verstile Afro-American athlete. There is something both
"our game" and swimming requires that the Armstrongs, Woods' and Jordans
just don't have eg: the opportunity to listen to a walkman during
training.
One feels the NFL fared best in the Bennett/Armstrong trade.
Oliver Kysela
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:26:54 +1000 (EST)
From: John Kenneth Daykin
As a loyal North supporter I think that the match that has got to be THE
greatest turnup of all time has to involve the Shinboners back in the days when they
were regular cellar-dwellers (no smart remarks re our current ladder position
PLEASE!!)
No doubt you will well recall that famous 1970 Grand Final with Carlton's
comeback win and Teddy Hopkins 4 goals. But the first game of the following season saw the Blues against the 1970 wooden-spooners North Melbourne under new coach Brian Dixon.
The Shinboners won 18.16-124 to 14.14-98 and Teddy Hopkins never played VFL
football again. Now, although the Roos had a handy recruit in Keith Greig and a couple
of young guns in D. Dench, S. Kekovich and P. "Snake" Baker, this has got to be
the greatest turnup of all, especially considering that North only won another four
games that season. Carlton must have surely been stung as the next time they
met they beat North 16.18-114 to 3.5-23.
For your consideration
John Daykin
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:41:38 +1000
From: Bob Crain
Dear Coodabeens,
There has only ever been one turn up as far as I'm concerned and I
remember it well
It had been a pretty good season
The final Home & Away round against the Doggies for the minor premiership
was a blinder Good wins through the finals over Essendon and Brisbane and into the GF
It was a bright sunny Sept. day and all was in readiness for the fait au
compli, all the pundits had given us the flag, the game was just a protocol, a mere formality.
We arrived early to enjoy the festivities on what was sure to be a joyous
day We took our place in front of the AW Show watched the Coodabeens,and
listened to Champs sing a few with Becky Cole
Sam had a young blond on his arm, but who could begrudge him on such a
glorious day with a predetermined outcome which was sure to go our way.
The team in multi-coloured singlets from somewhere west of Bordertown
took to the field like lambs to the slaughter and out we came with aİbit of a swagger.
Then it all came apart at the seems, worse than a bad bad dream, we
couldn't kick straight and it did us in 15behinds at half-time and mostly down wind, that team from out west didn't go away
Had we kick the ball straight on that terrible day by half-time the
busseswould have been on their way back to Ballarat where we wished they'd have stayed.
Yes we lost the Grand Final and that was hard bemoan and the only thing
that was left was the long long long train ride home.
THE 1998 Grand Final - The Turn Up of the Decade -
Let's hopeİfor all Victoria that it never happens again.
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:34:53 +1000
From: Russo
Turn Ups :
1. 1994 - Swans had lost 27 games in a row(the Buckenara era) when they
played and defeated Melbourne. The biggest turn up from that day was from
the hero of that match, one Dermot Brereton who declared that " these are
the best bunch of blokes I've ever played with "
2. 1983 - Saints vs Essendon at Moorabbin. Arriving at the ground on a
beautiful sunny autumn's day and finding the centre square had NOT
experienced a sudden downpour that morning. Naturally the Saints lost easily.
3. 1978-86 - Saints winning any game during these years was a turn up.
4. Us winning this competition will be a turn up.
From Faction 3366- Paul Russo/John Clements
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:36:05 +1000
From: "BULL,TRAVIS (HP-Australia,ex2)"
Definitely the biggest turn up was many years ago, it was the year of the
infamous waverly grand final not only was the entertainment that year
memorable, fancy angry Anderson coming out on a hovercraft(batmobile) who
would have thought that, but one, the game on round 22 stood out. A
rampaging eagles team came to the now defunct Princess Park to play a little
known bunch of lads Fitzroy.
So sure of victory were the eagles they left out 6 or 7 of there best
players. Our royboys played them like a team possessed (led by cult hero
Darren Doc Wheildon). They came out gang tackling and trying to knock out
John Worsfold every chance they got. Eventually the roys took out an
unlikely victory.
Now comes the best part from that moment on the eagles who were flag certs
looked shaky. Eventually losing to hawthorn in the granny. Many have said it
was the beginning of the end of the eagles that year.
Travis Bull
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:22:12 -0000
From: Gurn Blandston
Dear Coodabeens,
Same-day "double" turn-ups are the best.
The best of these were:
September 1999, when Tony said "you could write your own odds" on a
Bracksie/Blueboys double on election-day / prelim-final day.
April 1970, when after writing your own odds, you still didn't bother taking
them, such was the combined likelihood of
1. the wooden spooners Fitzroy beating the premiers Richmond in Round 1, and
2. an exchange of views taking place before the game between Roger Dean and
Queen Elizabeth II.
Regards,
Gurn Blandston.
ate: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:03:05 +1000
From: Jac & Pete
The biggest turnups are a tie between
1. the round in the early 60's
when John Beckwith's kick to the boundary actually did go out on the
full, and
2. the game being commentated by Peter McKennaİ during the
80's and 90's when John Beckwith's name was not mentioned when any kick
landed within one metre of the boundary .
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:10:13 +1000
From: Ross Morton
***
BIGGEST TURN-UPS OF ALL TIME
Of course there have been 23 games throughout history worthy of the tag
"The Biggest Upset of All Time", and they are as follows:
1901 Grand Final - Essendon defeated Collingwood
1905 Grand Final - Fitzroy defeated Collingwood 1911 Grand Final -
Essendon defeated Collingwood 1915 Grand Final - Carlton defeated
Collingwood 1918 Grand Final - South Melbourne defeated Collingwood 1920
Grand Final - Richmond defeated Collingwood 1922 Grand Final - Fitzroy
defeated Collingwood 1925 Grand Final - Geelong defeated Collingwood 1926
Grand Final - Melbourne defeated Collingwood 1937 Grand Final - Geelong
defeated Collingwood 1938 Grand Final - Carlton defeated Collingwood 1939
Grand Final - Melbourne defeated Collingwood 1952 Grand Final - Geelong
defeated Collingwood 1955 Grand Final - Melbourne defeated Collingwood
1956 Grand Final - Melbourne defeated Collingwood 1960 Grand Final -
Melbourne defeated Collingwood 1964 Grand Final - Melbourne defeated
Collingwood 1966 Grand Final - St. Kilda defeated Collingwood 1970 Grand
Final - Carlton defeated Collingwood 1977 Grand Final - North Melbourne
defeated Collingwood 1979 Grand Final - Carlton defeated Collingwood 1980
Grand Final - Richmond defeated Collingwood 1981 Grand Final - Carlton
defeated Collingwood
How did we lose those games!?!?!? Hang on .... 1980 .... Magro played on
Bartlett; but the others!!!!
Not that Magpie supporters hold any grudges or anything!?!?
Yours still in therapy,
Andrew McDonald
PS: A late entry for last week's comp for making the game more
interesting: I call it "The End of Training Scratch Match Rule". If a
match has blown out with one side leading by more than 6 goals, after the
25 minute mark of the final quarter, the umpires can, if they are all in
agreement, throw their whistles into the crowd and declare: "NEXT GOAL
WINS!!!!"
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:10:16 +1000
From: Jenny Lawton
game that involved one of the greatest turnups of all time will be
forever known as Sunday Bloody Sunday. The massacre of the unsuspecting
side took place in Round 3 at Colonial Stadium, during Season 2001 and
it was all down to one Troy Bloody Wilson, an aging no-name from East
Perth, who kicked 7 goals 3. St Kilda didn't know what hit them, and
the resulting scene of devastation had all the hallmarks of a TAC speed
kills advertisement. As TBW led West Coast to that grim victory, you
could hear the Saints fans calling feebly to eachother across the ramps
at Colonial as they headed home, "Who would have thought: Troy Bloody
Wilson - Well there's a turnup"
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:35:51 +1000
From: Jenny Lawton
Last night's turn ups (Friday - Round 4)
6.30 - Leave home for MCG- there's a turn up: no need to set burglar
alarm, as Richmond v. Collingwood game should keep things safe for the
evening.
6.50: Catch crowded train from Collingwood - there's a turn up: check
for wallet upon alighting at Jolimont and it's still there.
1st quarter: Game progressing - there's a turn up: no lunatic in crowd
chanting, "Kick it to Bucks".
Half time: Buy bucket of chips - there's a turn up: plenty of vinegar
to go round but they're out of salt.
10.30: Squeeze onto an Epping Line train - there's a turn up: Tigers
gained 4 premiership points but Pies comprehensively win the traditional
post-match clash on train.
Jenny of Brunswick
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:05:28 +1000
From: Ben Davies